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The 700 Billion Dollar Question

By loteck in MLP
Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 07:30:43 AM EST
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Those who spend their weekends doing things other than watching the news woke up Monday morning to a proposed 700 billion dollar bailout of the broader US financial system. The response to the most devastating financial crisis in modern history is surely a complex web of legal and technical intricacy, tied together with thick ropes of incomprehensible financial jargon and heavy-laden with the legislative double-speak inherent to all bills, right?

Nope. It's only 2 pages long, and written in near-layman's terms. You would read it, if you were paying attention.

If you had read it, here's a section that might have struck you:

"Section 8: Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."


The blog Naked Capitalism has a rather long-winded analysis of the broadstroke implications of accepting the current bailout. A couple of talking points copypasta'd below for those with the attention spans of a retarded cat (thanks to all of you for being a big part of why we are here).

"Anyway, I wanted to let you know that, behind closed doors, Paulson describes the plan differently. He explicitly says that it will buy assets at above market prices (although he still claims that they are undervalued) because the holders won't sell at market prices. Anna Eshoo pressed him on how the government can compel the holders to sell, and he basically dodged the question. I think that's because he didn't want to admit that the government would just keep offering more and more."

"So unlike the Resolution Trust Corporation, which took on dodgy assets which had fallen into the FDIC's lap due to the failure of thrifts, and the Home Owners' Loan Corporation, which was established in 1934 after the housing market had bottomed, this program is going to swing into action with the clear but not honestly disclosed intent of buying assets at above market prices when future markets and the analysts with the best track records on forecasting this decline (you can add Robert Shiller, CR at Calculated Risk, and Nouriel Roubini to the list) believe it has considerably further to fall."

So here's a question, what would you do if you were given $700 billion and exemption from legislative or judicial oversight, and had every active politician and every major corporation within arms reach?

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With $700b, I would:
o Whirl Peas 12%
o 2 chix 44%
o Socialize healthcare 25%
o Take over the country and cement it as a shadow monarchy 22%
o Leave 20%
o Burn it and take the world down with me 24%
o Buy guns/gold/god 24%
o WIPO 6%

Votes: 158
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The 700 Billion Dollar Question | 132 comments (113 topical, 19 editorial, 0 hidden)
prolly touch some boobs (3.00 / 10) (#2)
by lonelyhobo on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 03:42:28 PM EST



what would i do? (3.00 / 3) (#3)
by j1mmy on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 03:45:08 PM EST

distribute it evenly among the american taxpayers

I'd buy an island (3.00 / 2) (#10)
by QuantumFoam on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 04:31:27 PM EST

Then I'd get a team of maybe 3,000 people and inform them of my exact set of sexual tastes. Then, they'd spread out across the world and hold auditions for my concubines (Say $10 million a pop). While they're working at that, I'll have a few guys I know obtain for me a lifetime supply of every drug in the world. Then, I'd have the concubines and drugs flown in. I'd use the remainder of the money and visits to the island to bribe foreign officials not to annihilate me. They'd only have access to the concubines I consider to be insufficiently attractive, though.

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I'd make a bid for world peace. (2.00 / 6) (#18)
by xC0000005 on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 05:17:29 PM EST

That is, I'd pour every cent of it into alternate energy research. You turn oil back into a nasty black sludge that people avoid because if you dig it up, you have to clean it up, and suddenly the world gets nicer. First off, that section of the world called the middle east? If they want to have "self strangling" parties in which the person who passes out first gets a extra square foot of sand, so be it. Get our troops out and make it clear that the only thing american coming in now will be missiles if some asshole decides to try and pilot a plane into a building. Get the hell out of the middle east.

You take your alternate engery and you take the money that isn't being spent on coal and oil and gas and you pour it into health care and schools at home. And your soldiers, since they don't have some swarthy dark idiot to shoot, they can actually be put to work doing more interesting things and less dangerout things. Like sandbagging when a river floods or moving a bunch of idiots who haven't got the good sense to leave when there's a hurricane coming. Immigration - well, why immigrate when you can actually make the people's home countries not seem like pus infested sores? You put a bunch of the money you save into unemployment, because you let the banks who sold loans to people who never should have been able to get them in the first place, you let those suckers burn.

Now take your cheap alternate energy and go to the third world and start setting up schools. Schools where you teach kids, and schools where you teach adults. The kids get taught things like math and reading. The adults get taught things like "Witchcraft is a crock" and "Aids comes from unprotected sex". No need to burn down the rain forest to cook dinner, folks - heat your food on an electric stove.

No, alternate energy isn't a perfect solution (nothing is free) but eliminating dependence on oil with a technology you wouldn't mind giving away, that's not a bad use of $700b.

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bread and circuses $ (none / 1) (#34)
by LilDebbie on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 07:48:46 PM EST



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I'd hire assassins to kill people at $116.66 a pop (3.00 / 8) (#37)
by balsamic vinigga on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 08:48:40 PM EST

which if you do the math would reduce the world's population to me and 602M of the most gorgeous females from around the world. And then we'd finally have world peace.

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purchase diplomatic recognition for Taiwan Repub. (3.00 / 2) (#38)
by nostalgiphile on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 08:50:51 PM EST

from the Chinese Communist Party. Srsly, for $700,000,000,000 China's corrupt officialdom would surely cease giving a damn about the Taiwan independence movement.

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I voted +1 section because I saw Italics (3.00 / 6) (#39)
by Hiphopopotamus on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 09:11:28 PM EST

I can only assume that meant something important.
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-1 mentions Naked Capitalism (1.80 / 5) (#41)
by yellow shark on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 09:41:58 PM EST

...I mean, anyone that tries to merge socialism with capitalism has a few bricks short in the head.

"outstanding at any one time" (3.00 / 11) (#44)
by sholden on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 12:13:44 AM EST

  1. Spend $100 billion buying crap from my buddies.
  2. Wait a few weeks
  3. Sell the crap back to my buddies for $110 billion.
  4. Report to Congress about my wizardry.
  5. Now buy $700 billion of crap from my buddies.
  6. Sell it back to my buddies for $300 billion.
  7. Repeat 5 and 6 as many times as I can before Congress looks again.
  8. Retire.

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+1 FP, will contribute to death of k5 (none / 1) (#50)
by GrubbyBeardedHermit on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 06:04:00 AM EST


GBH

I'd buy a law (3.00 / 3) (#52)
by Corwin06 on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 06:30:42 AM EST

to legaliiiiize it...
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i would continuously beat my wife and post bail (3.00 / 6) (#65)
by the77x42 on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 11:28:51 AM EST




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couple of interesting updates: (3.00 / 2) (#71)
by loteck on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 05:06:27 PM EST

ron paul writes about bailout on cnn and a investment management firm sounds off on forbes to the tune of '$700b is not enough'.
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burn it (3.00 / 2) (#74)
by totmacher on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 05:15:43 PM EST

I don't have the experience or intelligence to deal with that sort of power

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Buy 475 billion Euro <nt> (3.00 / 7) (#76)
by TDS on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 05:33:11 PM EST



"Every Tory is a coward; for servile, slavish, self interested fear is the foundation of toryism; and a man under such influence, though he may be cruel, can never be brave." Thomas Paine

Note on the poll (3.00 / 2) (#77)
by maniac1860 on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 06:31:03 PM EST

Just about the only way that it would cost 700 billion to get with two chicks is if one was Natalie Portman and the other one was a clone of Natalie Portman. Even cloning a human probably wouldn't get you particularly close to 700 billion but you might be in the same ballpark.

WIPO: Buy, disolve, sell off assets, eat the loss (none / 1) (#79)
by nlscb on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 08:55:06 PM EST

That would be the best way out of this situation.

The Republicans have to stop defending their precious Ibanks and the Dems need to stop defending the perversions that are the GSEs (Fannie, Freddie, Sallie, other Federal Mortgage banks, etc ...), agree that both are out of control. They nationalize them, disolve them, sell off the assets for whatever their worth, and eat the loss. Then agree that the Federal Government never again subsidizes any financial firm again either directly or through creative regulation/tax laws. Then regulates the hell out of all financial firms with very low debt to capital ratios.

As much as I hate everyone involved in this, like it or not the financial system grinding to a halt with runs beginning on the banks would be VERY VERY bad.

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Inxnay (none / 1) (#84)
by Haxx on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 10:59:49 PM EST

Inxnay on the hombre let the correction correct the free markets.

Makes sense that they'd ask for this (3.00 / 2) (#92)
by Liar on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:53:28 PM EST

While Naked Capitalism does list worries, there's a certain quid-pro-quo that has to happen to get the banks to go along. There's a sense in which banks are holding the U.S. government hostage right now: give us the money or we'll destroy the country. So, in negotiating the purchases of these MBSs, the secretary would want as much leverage as possible to keep the crisis from deepening.

It seems to me like the worker's dream of finding a boss who will just leave him alone so he can do his job--no meetings, no TPS reports, no status updates. Since it's his request, Congress doesn't have to accept it and likely won't, but it's not surprising that he asked.

I think part of the problem is that they are asking for too much--it's something like 10% of the value of the entire mortgaging industry and over 50% of the subprime market. That's a pretty big bankroll and makes it difficult to negotiate the banks to a lower selling price. Imagine walking in to a used car dealership while flashing $80K in cash--they'd up the price on even the Yugo's then.


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Or we could pay off everyone's credit card debt (3.00 / 2) (#94)
by waxmop on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:32:09 PM EST

This site says that the median household with credit card debt carries about a $2200 balance.

There's about 110k households in the USA, so we could easily cover that.

There's about a trillion dollars of credit card debt in the US. Let's just pay that off instead.
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Guess (3.00 / 3) (#99)
by Grayworld on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:53:00 AM EST

Sarbanes-Oxley didn't work too well. What I'm most interested in is how the shorts played the system vulnerabilities to perfection. I think alot more will come out on this. Some conspiracy theorists have even suggested that the naked shorting that ultimately triggered the loss of stock value and inability to raise either equity or debt capital was a planned coordinated attack on wall street by "foreign terrorists". The shorts knew that stock price was an important factor (to S&P, Moodys and Fitch) in setting credit ratings for these IB's. Get the stock down fast and hard enough and the ratings get lowered--then collateral calls come in from counterparties on derivative contracts. No capital can be raised and you either run off and sell yourself to JPMorgan or BAC for a pittance or you follow Dick Fuld at lehman into BK. What a system. Can't wait for Gasparino's book on all this.
Fair but a bit unbalanced to be sure!
Peanuts (3.00 / 2) (#107)
by walwyn on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 07:42:18 PM EST

If Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns could pay out $36 billion in bonuses last year, the US tax payer cam easily stump up $700 billion.
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I am glad (none / 1) (#121)
by Centrisian on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:25:45 PM EST

that the bailout plan fucking bricked.
PWNT

you don't need $700b to do 2 chicks (2.60 / 5) (#127)
by circletimessquare on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 02:58:34 PM EST

all you need is to be drunk with the right horny bi chick and her cell phone. she'll make the call

but then it ends in a tearful drunken drama about why she keeps doing this to her when she knows she is the only woman for her and she loves her so much why does she need to keep whoring out with random men, and then accusations back about being overly controlling and she is a free woman to do what she wants and don't try to tell her what to do with her life

all while you sit there just looking at four bouncing heaving boobs, mostly oblivious to anything else

at least that's been my experience


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Buy a yacht... (none / 0) (#132)
by anonimouse on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 02:58:03 PM EST

..and... Oh that was another scam.....
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