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Top Ten Internet Fads

By Frozen North in Culture
Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 05:09:15 PM EST
Tags: Technology (all tags)
Technology

At the risk of sounding much older than I really am, I've been on the Internet since 1987. In that time, I've seen a number of Internet fads come and go. Some were excesses of the bubble years, but others weren't.

A fad, for purposes of this article, is an idea or technology which is briefly popular, but can't outlast its own novelty value. Once people get over the newness of it all, there isn't really anything special left. Here are the ten which stand out most in my mind.


10. Live Customer Service
At one point, when companies were selling anything online (see #2), someone realized that customer service was going to be an important part of the online retail experience. Of course, simply posting an E-mail address and a toll-free phone number wouldn't do! E-mail doesn't satisfy the need for live service, and a toll-free phone number was, well, so 80's.

Several companies jumped in to serve the need for a true Internet solution for live service. Some provided text chat technology, others went so far as to do Voice-over-IP (see #8) to the customer's web browser (you were SOL if you didn't happen to have a microphone connected to your computer). There were even a couple which did video. All of these were accessed though big "Click Here For Live Assistance" buttons.

Aside from the fact that many of these technologies simply didn't work very well, it seems that nobody bothered to ask customers what sort of live service they actually wanted. What most customers really wanted to do was pick up the phone and dial a toll-free phone number, or else send an E-mail.

9. Flash Mobs
Find a bunch of people who don't know each other, have them all gather at some specified time and place, do something off-the-wall, and then go away. That's pretty much the summary of a Flash Mob, the Big Thing of the First Half of 2003. The Internet is key because that's how you organize the Flash Mob, and post the photos afterwards.

Okay, this was cool the first couple of times. We have now proven that the Internet allows you to organize people to do stuff in the real world, and not just online. Somehow, it just doesn't seem to have much more staying power.

8. VoIP (Rounds 1 and 2)
Using the Internet for phone calls is becoming a hot topic again, which makes it easy to forget that this is actually the third time this particular technology has made an appearance.

I wasn't sure if I should call VoIP a "fad" or not, since there is some technology here which actually is useful, and many major phone companies are actually using the underlying technology for their internal networks. On the other hand, both of the previous appearances in consumer form were clearly premature, so those at least are fads.

The first time, it was strictly for the determined. Imagine using your PC as a really bad CB radio, and you get the basic idea. Most conversations were along the lines of "Can you hear me? Isn't this cool! We're using the Internet for a phone call!" The listener typically heard, "-an y-----ear--e? ------ool! We're u--ng the -nter------all!"

My own first exposure to VoIP technology was in graduate school in 1994 or 1995. Two of the postdocs in my research group were testing VoIP as a way to save money on our conference calls with a team we collaborated with overseas. They had set up two SGI workstations in adjacent offices, and attempted to set up a VoIP call. They closed the two office doors, and this is what I heard from my cubicle:

Postdoc #1: "Hello? Hello? Hello? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Hello? CAN YOU HEAR ME?"

[office door opens, Postdoc #2 walks out into Postdoc #1's office]

Postdoc #2: "I think the whole floor can hear you."

7. Thin Clients
Hey, we've got a web browser now. What do we need Windows (or MacOS) for anymore? We can access everything through a browser!

This, in a nutshell, was the argument for the Thin Client. Conceived as a way to break the Microsoft monopoly on the desktop, a Thin Client would be nothing more than a web browser on a screen. Thus (the theory went) it would be cheaper to build than a desktop PC, and all the applications would run on the server with the Thin Client running the interface.

This idea was so wrong, I don't even know where to begin. For starters, this is nothing more than a reversion to the old mainframe computing days, with a prettier face. So instead of a dumb terminal, we now have a GUI-based browser, but there was a reason the world shifted away from mainframes and dumb terminals. At least I think there was.

Next, it turns out that in order to do a lot of the fancier stuff a browser is expected to do, you need to have things like a sound card, a pretty good (for 1996) graphics processor, and a hard drive to cache data. Oh, and it had to run Java, too. Guess what! Suddenly we've got a whole operating system again. And why exactly can't we use Windows for this?

By the time someone actually built a Thin Client (I think it was Sun, but my memory is imperfect here), it turned out to be significantly more expensive than the sub-$1,000 personal computers which were making an appearance by then, and much less capable.

6. Digital Personae
Like the digital flotsam of a thousand shipwrecked business plans, you can still see the occasional Digital Persona wash up on a web site somewhere. The typical encounter is something like this: you go to a corporate web site somewhere, and start reading the web page. Suddenly, the web page starts talking to you! You notice an animation of someone talking in the corner of the window (typically an attractive young woman), giving a sales pitch with bad lip-sync. Sometimes, there's a box to type in questions and get synthesized responses, but more often, you get the pitch and she shuts up.

Believe it or not, at one time companies spent real money developing these things for their web sites, on the theory that it would make the web experience more "personal." More like interacting with a real person. There were even companies whose entire technology was built around improving these Digital Personae. I remember one in particular which had groundbreaking technology for improving the lip-sync, and they even got venture capital to do it. I think they were called RealLips or something like that.

The problem is that (a) if the customer wanted to interact with a real person, he or she would have picked up the phone or driven to a real store, and (b) once the novelty value wears off, the digital persona is absolutely nothing like a real person. Why do we want to interact with real people? Because we want to have social relationships. You can't have a social relationship with a piece of software.

File this one under "Microsoft Bob."

5. The .sig Virus
Back in the days when everyone on the Internet was running UNIX from a command line, the way you would attach a "signature" to your E-mail was by creating a little text file called ".sig". Whatever was in that file would be appended to outgoing E-mail.

Sometime after the Morris Worm, the first major "virus" (technically a worm) on the Internet, this (and similar) text started appearing at the bottom of people's E-mails:

Hi, I'm a .sig virus! Copy me to your .sig file and help me propagate!

Of course, this was so cute and silly that lots of people really did copy it into their .sig files, allowing the .sig virus to propagate.

After a while, the novelty wore off, leaving the philosophy majors to argue that it really was, technically, a virus, since it contained instructions allowing it to self-replicate. It just happened that those instructions were carried out by a human rather than a computer. The computer science majors said, no, it's just a meme, not a virus. The rest of us went on with our lives.

4. WAP
WAP is the sound a clunky Internet-enabled cellphone makes when you throw it at a brick wall in frustration.

It also sounds for Wireless Access Protocol, and was an early attempt to squeeze big web pages into a teeny-tiny little screen. I'm not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that billions (with a "B") of dollars were spent on this idea, despite several subtle problems:

  1. Viewing even a small web page on a screen with 12 lines of text is almost completely useless.
  2. The per-kilobyte charges some cellphone companies were imposing were the equivalent of something like $100/hour for dialup Internet access.
  3. Very few people actually wanted to surf the web from their cellphones in the first place.

In the last year, we've come full circle: the cellphone companies are once again selling gigantic Internet-enabled cellphones and expensive data plans with the hope of getting us to surf the web by the minute. Of course, everything is different now. Now we have better displays (in color even), and instead of WAP, we've got something called 3G.

3G is approximately the acceleration required to crush a clunky Internet-enabled cellphone in frustration.

3. Digital Acronyms (B2C, B2B, B2G, G2C, P2P, etc.)
The sociologists will tell you that one sign of "in group" behavior is the use of special language, words and phrases only understood by members of the crowd who "get it."

Whatever.

All I know is that these stupid acronyms with the number 2 standing for the word "to" drive me up the wall.

There was a time, around 1998 or 1999, when every VC PowerPoint contained at least one of these acronyms on every slide. Sometimes several. Anyone who invented a new one was a true visionary.

No wonder so many venture-backed startups failed.

Thankfully, I'm seeing these less and less often.

By the way, the acronyms I listed stand for (respectively): Business to Consumer, Business to Business, Business to Government, Government to Consumer (or Citizen), and Peer to Peer. Or maybe it was Bob to Charlie, Bob to Bill, Bill to George, George to Charlie, and Peter to Paul. I can never remember.

2. Anything Sold Online
Some things, like books and music, make a lot of sense to sell online. They're cheap to ship, and there's so much selection that it s hard for a retail store to stock everything.

Other things, like pet food, make no sense whatsoever to sell online.

A lot of supposedly very intelligent venture capitalists couldn't understand the difference.

I'm thinking of writing a self-help book about this called "Smart Money, Dumb Investments."

1. PointCast
For those who weren't on the Internet in 1997, let me describe what PointCast was.

PointCast was a screen saver. No ordinary screen saver, though. PointCast was a screen saver which was going to revolutionize computing and change the world.

PointCast wouldn't just show fish, or geometric patterns. PointCast (make sure you're sitting down for this) would display news headlines and stock quotes! Yes! And that wasn't all. PointCast was so unique, so radical, that a whole new category of business was created: push. Push meant that information would be "pushed" to people, rather than waiting for people to visit a web site and "pull" the data to them.

This whole concept was so cool that there were people (sadly, I was one of them) who would wait for their computer's screen savers to activate, just to watch the PointCast news headlines and stock tickers. It was mesmerizing. Bump the mouse, and you'd have to start all over again.

Push was so revolutionary, that there were other companies founded just to build technology to manage the flood of network traffic which PointCast was going to generate.

There were a few people who stood up in this madness (proudly, I was one of them) who pointed out that E-mail was a form of push, and one which was far more technologically advanced, more efficient, more flexible, more usable, friendlier, cheaper, and already being used for real business applications. None of this mattered, though, since E-mail didn't display news headlines and stock quotes on a screen saver.

(Oh, and as a geeky aside, PointCast wasn't really push anyway, since it simply used an internal web browser to get new headlines and quotes from PointCast's web site every few minutes. Technically, PointCast was more like a web browser set to auto-refresh. Classic, and boring, pull.)

At least Wired magazine came to its senses after a few years and published a thoughtful obituary.

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Top Ten Internet Fads | 274 comments (248 topical, 26 editorial, 2 hidden)
Fad (1.21 / 23) (#3)
by My Trole on Fri Nov 14, 2003 at 06:07:40 PM EST

Your definition of fad is much too broad. According to you, every single technological invention ever known to man has been a fad. The automobile is a fad? Separating the .sig virus from the electronic mail medium is not possible in a summary that intends to refute that which is irrefutable. The Mobile-T was the first automobile invented in the U.S. Years later it would be upgraded as the F-150. Sebastian Ford was the grandson of the Original Ford who oversaw its' design. So you have stated that a fad is a house with no foundation. The Mobile-T was a fad! Your definition should become clear to you. It is flawed. Do I drive an ancient vehicle, produced in 1897? Modern vehicles are fad-like if you consider them a part of the industrial revolution. They are now populated with advanced electronics. Moving parts are now a fad, says you. I could very easily disagree with your descending numbered order as not a fad. Entitlement to a k5 submission would not be my reward. I can do that anyway without having to debunk your notions of who's right and who's wrong. You never used Napster? P2P! You have no regard for the misapplied technology behind these descriptions, words, phrases, acronyms. That's why you are not entitled to this article. I suggest you disown it, and pass it off to kpaul.

Flash Mobs (1.50 / 20) (#5)
by thelizman on Fri Nov 14, 2003 at 06:29:03 PM EST

I love how flash mobs have already been corrupted by political activists. Nothing can be just for fun anymore, thanks to assholes like that.
--

"Our language is sufficiently clumsy enough to allow us to believe foolish things." - George Orwell
Customer service as a fad? (2.58 / 17) (#6)
by porkchop_d_clown on Fri Nov 14, 2003 at 07:36:52 PM EST

Hrrrrmmm.

I used the live customer support from LL Bean last night (I kid you not) and it was excellent. They didn't even crap out because I was using a subversive operating system and browser.

--
Which way do I go, to get to your America?


Some Thin Clients Work Well (2.44 / 9) (#9)
by frankwork on Fri Nov 14, 2003 at 08:15:57 PM EST

To wit, NCD X terminals, or old PC hardware running a remotely-hosted KDE/GNOME session.

And what about Internet Appliances? Those should be included in your example. It's the same idea, where if a piece of hardware is going to do less than a PC, it sure as hell better cost less than a PC.



that 90's biz thing (1.63 / 11) (#13)
by khallow on Fri Nov 14, 2003 at 10:52:57 PM EST

Which was a bigger fad? A high "burnrate" or the "exit strategy"?

Stating the obvious since 1969.

Poor choices for a few of them (2.63 / 11) (#14)
by snowmoon on Fri Nov 14, 2003 at 11:24:50 PM EST

8 VoIP

Vonage has been providing dialtone over broadband for over a year now and the service is excellent.  Assuming you have a decent internet connection it works as advertised.  Vonage is not the last name in VoIP either their is an ever growing list of providers.  And yes, I do use them and they have saved me lots of cash.

7 Thin Clients

Your definition of thin clinets is way off.  Thin clinets, as others have noted, can cover almost anything that is less than a full PC.  X-Terms are thin clients, WinCE, NCD and many other.  One high profile shop that uses thin client is Key Largo, FL where there are over 100 desktops running linux thin clients off of 2 servers.

Browers have also come a long ways ( hell Netscape v 4.0 should have been on the list ).  With the plethora of Java/Flash/ActiveX/Other plugins, you really can do quite a bit with a simple web browser with or without a full operating system below it.  Remeber it's not the operating system that counts in thin clients, it's the hardware simplicity ( ie no desktop support besides swaping the box ).

2 Online selling

Just because some people can't tell a good plan from a bad one does not mean that they are all bad.  Pet food could easly be sold online through partnering with national and or regional stores that already have a presence in the area.

1 Pointcast

No objections there.  I think I burned my pointcast book.

Thin Clients (2.72 / 11) (#16)
by damiam on Fri Nov 14, 2003 at 11:54:30 PM EST

A thin client is not a web browser (running a web-browser-only PC generally requires just as many resources as a standard PC, so that would be pointless). It is an X terminal or one of the Windows/Mac equivilents. Any PC made in the last ten years will work just fine as a thin client. Over a local network, there's no noticable speed difference in daily use.

The main reason thin clients failed is that people want to have their own PC, with control over their own files and the freedom to do whatever they want with their computer. You can't play games or watch porn on a thin client.

Commentary (1.92 / 14) (#17)
by Kasreyn on Fri Nov 14, 2003 at 11:59:22 PM EST

Flash mobs turned out to be utterly useless for almost anything except protests (/riots?). But they're keeno for putting those together.

The .sig virus thing makes me smile. Mostly because after the outlook email worms started becoming big news, I started seeing the ".sig virus" rewritten: "I'm a Linux email worm! Manually copy me into your .sig so I can spread!", which I thought was a delicious little stab. ^_^

Re: WAP/3G, agreed 100%, and you cracked me up on both of them. Who in their right mind would want to surf the web on a cellphone? I can understand email and MAYBE remote login, but web browsing?! Oy gevalt.

As to abbreviations, I think they're pretty pathetic also. Here's a partial list of the ones I studied in only 2 months of networking classes I took:

ISA, PCI, AGP, CAT-5, RJ-45, NIC, PCMCIA, MAC, IEEE (that is SO fucking hard to say. Trust an engineer not to think whether the acronym will be unpronounceable), ARP, ROM, ISO, OSI, LAN, WAN, MAN, SAN, PAN, DARPA, P2P, PDU, TCP/IP, FTP, TFTP, HTTP, SMTP, DNS, UDP, VPN, POP, SMP, FDDI, DSL, STP, UTP, TIA/EIA, NEXT, PSNEXT, ELFEXT, PSELFEXT, ISDN, BRI, AUI, DTE, DCE, CIDR, NAT, MTU, TTL, CRC, CAM, STP (another one!), ASIC, STA CST, BPDU, PPP, RIP. These are just a sampling from my old notebook. Why do engineers not just come up with a simpler way to say it in English - instead of near-sightedly insisting on maximum precision (even if they have to get octosyllabic at times) and then condensing it into an acronym?! I must have 300 or 400 of them clanging around in my head, and every day I have to learn a new one. AAAARGH!!!!


-Kasreyn


"Extenuating circumstance to be mentioned on Judgement Day:
We never asked to be born in the first place."

R.I.P. Kurt. You will be missed.
the future of WAP (2.37 / 8) (#25)
by ljj on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 04:58:58 AM EST

I agree with you that WAP on a phone has extremely limited potential. However, a WAP enabled, GPRS connected phone can - through a bluetooth connection, enable my Powerbook to go online at more than reasonable connection rates. It's always on and I only pay for the data transferred, so perhaps WAP still has a future.

--
ljj

Mainframe -> PC -> ??? (2.66 / 6) (#26)
by swr on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 06:35:30 AM EST

So instead of a dumb terminal, we now have a GUI-based browser, but there was a reason the world shifted away from mainframes and dumb terminals. At least I think there was.

Most people couldn't get a reasonable connection to a mainframe. Unless you consider spending hundreds of dollars for a modem and connecting at 300 bps "reasonable". At least, that's my guess. I can't imagine that people actually wanted to spend a wad of cash on a bunch of less powerful systems if they had access a real computer.

Times have changed, but we're still stuck in the '80s desktop PC paradigm, where "The Internet" is just another program that you run.



Some ideas I didn't use (2.58 / 12) (#29)
by Frozen North on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 07:54:21 AM EST

Some other fad ideas I didn't use:

Pamela Anderson
Uber-babe and fellow Minnesotan Pamela Anderson Lee would likely have been forgotten years ago, had it not been for her unfortunate home video, which demonstrated not only the power of distributing content over the Internet, but the importance of a good home security system.

Ms. Anderson didn't make the cut, however, since she has managed to somehow carve more than her deserved 15 minutes of fame out of what would otherwise have been a complete diaster for her.

Friendster
While I do believe that the current crop of Social Networking Software startups is just another fad (and the article I wrote about that was the inspiration for this piece), the descent into obscurity for Friendster and its ilk is only just beginning. Wait another year or two.


Frozen North
pointcast (2.00 / 11) (#30)
by zephc on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 08:35:32 AM EST

in mid '97 I worked for a teeny tiny content company (which will remain nameless) that was but a few miles from PointCast corporate HQ.  We drove there, got a small tour, and were told why we should deliver our content for it; we didn't end up doing anything with it.

3 words. (2.29 / 17) (#38)
by Prophet themusicgod1 on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 10:43:42 AM EST

"All Your Base"
"I suspect the best way to deal with procrastination is to put off the procrastination itself until later. I've been meaning to try this, but haven't gotten around to it yet."swr
11. Top Ten lists (2.33 / 21) (#45)
by pinkcress on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 01:50:18 PM EST



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damnit all these 'facts' getting in the way of my writing - turmeric
Does anyone remember (1.57 / 14) (#46)
by Tatarigami on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 01:50:28 PM EST

  • All your base/ Zero Wing
  • Domo-kun/ the 'every time you masturbate' picture
  • The 'I kiss you' guy
  • The WTC tourist
  • The sulfnblk.exe virus
  • The Star Wars kid
Now those were fads you could be proud not to be a part of.


Couple comments... (2.60 / 10) (#47)
by skim123 on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 01:50:34 PM EST

At one point, when companies were selling anything online (see #2), someone realized that customer service was going to be an important part of the online retail experience. ... and a toll-free phone number was, well, so 80's.
Keep in mind that an online shopper might very well be using their phone line to browse the Web site. Hence, an 800 number is, indeed, not acceptable as the person would have to end their Internet session to talk to customer service.

Regarding thin clients, while the clients might not become thin, I predict there will be a rise in software as a service over the coming years. Look at the technology Microsoft is building. MS is putting their money into technology that can offer software as a service. Whether or not this succeeds won't be known for at least five years or so, but still it's a push back to delivering software from a central server.

The digital persona stuff was both funny and annoying, I'm glad this was a fad that died a quick death. Those that would funnel funds into the "investment" of building such a system clearly don't realize that the message you deliver should be tailored to the medium. Radio content is different than television content, which is different than movie content, which is different than Web page content, which is different from content one would receive in a face-to-face setting. Trying to make one medium more like some other medium is bound to result in an annoying user experience and lost time and revenue, IMO. (Repeat comments for WAP fad, too...)

Regarding push technology, while some ventures into this have been silly, I think it's a valid area (not necessarily for investment, but for delivering information). For example, news syndicators, like Dare's RssBandit or FeedDemon offer a push model for folks to get the latest information.

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


Management Fads in IT (2.71 / 14) (#53)
by holdfast on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 06:37:24 PM EST

Outsourcing
You pay a bunch of strangers to run your systems for you. You find that the people they send haven't a clue what you do. They then charge you "extra" for anything they can. In the end you end up paying more for a poorer service.

Courses
Example... You buy a new financial accounting system. Your Chief accountant goes on the required courses and training. He comes back all trained up and gets his juniors to use the system since he is too busy going to meetings.

Buzz words
Complain that IT is too full of buzz words like - monitor, word processor, SAP, Autocad and so on. Then pretend that your own ones are clear and simple.


"Holy war is an oxymoron."
Lazarus Long
Fads (2.62 / 8) (#59)
by dn on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 07:15:40 PM EST

I partly disagree about thin clients. A tricked out multiprocessor machine can run email, word processors, and data entry for a lot of people, which covers the needs of most office workers. Since the cost is amortized over many users, you can afford top-notch redundant and error correcting hardware. Administration is easier. Enforced backups are easier. Flexible workspaces are easier. Fixing a broken desktop machine is easy and lightning fast, and reduces staffing requirements for highly-trained personnel.

It can even make sense for engineering/scientific users, who need maximum peak performance on large workloads to keep from breaking their concentration but tend to have low average utilization.

I also disagree about flash mobs. If they haven't already, militant politicians (i.e., activists, but let's call a spade a spade) will use them to spectacular and appalling effect.

I do agree completely on WAP. I remember telling my boss at the time that it was one of the technically-dumbest ideas I'd ever heard of, which coming from me is saying something.

You missed "peer to peer" as a fad. If you look back in the computer industry magazines of the early '90s, you'll find all sorts of stuff about how peer-to-peer networking is going to revolutionize the use of computers. No longer would there be independent PCs, occassionally running as slaves to mainframes. Instead they'd all be on the same network and could talk directly to one another. Hence the "peer to peer" terminology, and the frequent references to revolutions and paradigm shifts in the magazines of the time. I am deeply amused by the music pirates who think they've just discovered it and started a special new revolution. Makes me want to write an NTP server hard-coded to 23:59:59, 30 SEP 1993 ("the September that never ended").

    I ♥
TOXIC
WASTE

Irritating Article (2.61 / 13) (#65)
by teece on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 08:13:37 PM EST

For some reason, I find this story very annoying. Not trying to insult the author, but it just rubs me the wrong way.

Firstly, it comes off as somewhat holier-than-thou. I shall descend from the cloistered computer center and decree those things which are fads!

Secondly, several of the the things you have mentioned aren't fads. You are simply confusing lame late-90s startup hype with reality. A truly revolutionarly technology may take awhile to catch on. Take the WAP idea, for instance. Trying to deply web browsing to cell phone with a 1", black and white, text-only screen was really stupid. But I will go out on a limb, and say that was just a product of the really stupid late 90s. The idea of wireless connectivity, anywhere, to a small, portable computer absolutely will catch on. It will just take a while for the computer to get there.

Thirdly, flash mobs are what, a year old? And they are already a fad? Come on, Moore's Law is for computer chips. There is no need to try and accelerate society to the same pace.

-- Hello_World.c, 17 Errors, 31 Warnings...

Very nice (2.00 / 6) (#71)
by modmans2ndcoming on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 09:35:42 PM EST

I was ROTFLMAO, but AFA the acronyms go, I think you are way out of the ball park on that one.

maybe you just mean the business acronyms?

IANAS, but:

I think the acronyms used in community sites are nice because it makes it easier to type a feeling or idea, and the experienced users will understand it and the noobs will just sit there and ponder it unto themselves and not ask what it means for fear of seeming like a moron(we've all been there)

:-)

Personal Web Pages (2.78 / 14) (#72)
by MorePower on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 09:36:53 PM EST

My favorite fad was the personal web page. You can still find these around if you look hard. Back in the early days, the World Wide Web consisted of little else but pages about individuals. They followed the same format:

Hi my name is [name], here's a picture of me, [pic] and a picture of my girlfiend [pic of girl], you can visit her web site at [URL]. Here as a picture of my dog [pic of dog], you can visit his website at [URL]. Some of my hobbies include [list of hobbies with links]. Here are some links to my friends websites [more links]. If you like my website send me an email at [actual working email address right out in the open].

And yet dispite the fact the the entire web was made up of nothing else, the World Wide Web actually caught on somehow.

Thin Clients (2.88 / 9) (#77)
by Brandybuck on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 10:04:35 PM EST

You've got the thin client fad all wrong. In some incarnations it was supposed to be a web browser, but in most cases it wasn't.

Thin clients installations are numerous, and they work well. There's only three reasons they never took off in a big way. First, there never was a Windows solution for thin clients. It doesn't matter how great the solution is, or how many problems it solves. Without something that runs on Windows, no one will buy into it. Second, PCs got too cheap. When a decent workstation used to cost $7500, it made sense to replace them with cheap thin clients. But now decent workstations are running $1000, so there's no point in cost savings.

But here's the biggest reason they "failed": their advocates took them to the absurd extreme. They were envisioning the next generation of serial terminals, updated with X11 and TCP/IP. But in actually, moderately "thin" client installations were very common. In any real world client/server installation, the clients are going to be thinner than the servers. An installation of one thousand Sparc 5 workstations connection to large Sun servers in the backroom, was in fact a "thin client" installation.

Here's what is today's thin client office: some powerful servers in the back room, with cheap PCs on the desktops running Linux or BSD. Even some Windows installations going this way, except absent a client/server GUI like X11, they have to do it via the web browser.

Since these new thin clients will also be "smart", a whole world of possibilities opens up. Like taking the load off the servers by distributing application execution among the clients. Many installations already do this for builds.

In summary, thin clients weren't a fad, but rather a successful idea that was merely overhyped.

A few of my own: (2.84 / 13) (#80)
by MSBob on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 10:20:25 PM EST

  • Blink tags - the most annoying of w3c approved tags. At one point used by every adult site on the web
  • scrolling text - ditto
  • frames - These really took off at one point and every website that wanted to look modern had to have them. Preferably with a selection of content on the left hand side, the site title in the top frame and the content to the right of the menu. I swear that at one point EVERY website on the web used this particular layout.
  • e-postcards - One of the most cunning ways for spammers to extract people's email addresses
  • Spam - unfortunately this one is alive and well
I'm sure there were many more I don't remember off hand.
I don't mind paying taxes, they buy me civilization.

Web kitsch (2.62 / 8) (#82)
by kitten on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 11:22:31 PM EST

Read all about it.

Mostly a look at the horrid, yet plentiful and popular mistakes or fads done with personal sites.
mirrorshades radio - darkwave, synthpop, industrial, futurepop.
Memes (1.50 / 6) (#85)
by doormat on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 12:22:09 AM EST

Or do they not count since they still exist?
  • "All your base..."
  • The Kiss Me guy
etc
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Regarding Pointcast (2.91 / 12) (#91)
by shinshin on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 02:27:32 AM EST

Back in 1996, Jamie Zawinski wrote a startlingly funny rant about PointCast. Even then, some people knew that it was crap.

An excerpt:

    And the best part of it is that it displays all this great data... when you're not there! It is truly one of the stupidest ideas since the car doors that opened out with the hinge at the back.


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We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons --Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, March 16, 2003
I knew it was too good to last, but. . . (3.00 / 29) (#92)
by Fantastic Lad on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 04:36:03 AM EST

I really enjoyed the first couple of years of Corporate insanity, before all the greed got its ass kicked.

Remember the days of endless free server space and mountains of bandwidth?

Remember when you keyed a search term into Altavista, (Yeah, before Google took over the universe), you'd hit enter and MOST of the websites which came back were private efforts by individuals who didn't have to pay a cent for their sites? Sites which wanted to part you from your cash were actually rare! Wow! This was before freekin' Paypal existed. Man, there was a lot of cool stuff out there and it wasn't about money. --Or rather it was, but we didn't have to worry about it because a bunch of greedy investors and idiot corporations with dollar sign eyes and stupid-huge IPO cash to blow were footing the bill for everybody else.

I remember when hackers were in-your-face bold and actually had tons of the latest software available for download right off their own web pages. I remember when everybody was learning HTML and re-learning the art of written communication. --Massive email circulars. I remember that, "Top 50 Things I Wouldn't Do If I Were An Evil Overlord" list which ended up in my inbox once every couple of months, and which I actually read each time to see what new entries had been added.

I remember when Slashdot was new. When Everything2 was new. --When half of the hottie goth chicks I knew had their own anime fan pages. (Well, actually, that's still the case, but as we all know, Anime doesn't exactly subscribe to the same laws of physics the rest of the world must obey.)

And remember? Nobody worried about Carnivore and CIA spooks tracking data? Almost nobody knew about Eschelon. Those were days of ignorant bliss. The wild-west. A golden period of what, 3 years or so? Remember when only the cool geeks knew what MP3's were? Remember doing command line CD ripping on one of three models of CD player which worked and hoping no errors would come up? Remember when pop-up ads were new and you got your first proxy-server running to cut them out? Ahh. That was fun.

But then everything grew up in a big damned hurry. Things are expensive now, nearly all of the free space dried up. Yahoo! claims copyright on anything you post on their 'free' space. And, heck, most people no longer care about running their own websites anymore. --Though, while many inroads have been made, I don't think the Corporate assholes will be able to shut down sane communication. Blogs exist now. Indy news is cheep. I can send $20 to support websites which only need a few hundred to run per year. No, they haven't shut us down. Not yet, anyway. That'll only happen when a few more bills are signed into law and it'll be legal to haul people away for raw thought crimes. --They're warming us up to the idea by attacking 12 year-old media 'pirates'. Turning up the temperature on that frog-water!

But it's not here yet, so until then, Cheers and happy surfing!

-FL

FishCam (2.50 / 8) (#93)
by tonedevil05 on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 04:43:22 AM EST

The original and still the best www fad, when the browser became more than GOPHER with pictures.

Oh yeah. . . Forgot to add. . . (2.57 / 7) (#94)
by Fantastic Lad on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 04:51:58 AM EST

To my last post. . .

Links!

Remember when, because search engines were limited, that you were actually forced to hunt for data through the links between personal web-pages? When you probably wouldn't find what you were looking for and instead found something unexpected and more exciting?

Did I mention that Google creeps me out? Any all-powerful corporate entity which looks and feels like a Fischer Price toy scares the hell out of me. Especially when it centralizes power. I miss the days when the intricate web-work of privately promoted synapses threatened to make the intenet a very powerful thing indeed!

-FL

VoIP a fad? (2.55 / 9) (#98)
by The Geriatrix Revultions on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 07:08:17 AM EST

I don't think VoIP can be accurately described to be  a fad. Even if it fails commercially, the technology will still be there, and will still be useful (the same can't be said of most of the other things on this list).

I've been using VoIP for a year or so now to call my parents who are on the other side of the planet. Saves me a fortune in long-distance charges, cost nothing more than a couple of cheap headsets.

I can't see the premature death of the VoIP industry stopping me from doing that.

Idea behind Thin Clients (2.62 / 8) (#102)
by shurdeek on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 08:22:22 AM EST

You have the idea about thin clients all wrong. The point isn't to sink one-time hardware costs for the client, but the TCO of the whole solution, mainly:
  • Low hardware maintenance costs. No movable parts and very quiet. If it breaks down, you just replace it without any (re)installation.
  • Low software maintenance costs. Instead of maintaining hundreds of machines, you just maintain a couple of servers.
  • Consistency. A user can use ANY of the machines just like his own.
  • Centralisation. Well, this is the main point from which all of the above can be derived. You can also centralize backups, internet connectivity, application testing, etc.
Why aren't the thin clients used more you ask? This was answered in one of the previous posts: Windows thin client solutions suck and the server costs are horribly expensive. And people want Windows.

If you strip the Microsoft requirement, there shouldn't be any problem. In fact I am writing this post from my own thin client, which I have been using for almost a year. I bought the thingy (Igel-J thin client) on Ebay for like 220€, and run Red Hat Linux 9 on the terminal server (which cost under 700€ and is in a climatized server room). Add a high quality TFT monitor and you get an el-cheapo el-coolo solution. The only thing that I can't do on it is to watch movies, but I have a separate specialized machine for that.

Instead of thin clients, I would like to propose a different fad: a Windows solution that actually works.

MfG shurdeek

Ridicolous .. these aren't fads (2.66 / 6) (#104)
by job on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 09:39:51 AM EST

Thin Clients and terminal solutions are not a fad. Ever head of Citrix? Or Igel? They save companies lots of money every day. Plus the boxes are small, silent and can be replaced by a janitor if they break and you're up running again in no time.

As for VoIP, you should ask Vonage or any of the other companies that will probably make a small fortune of it in the long run.

Pointcast was one of your few examples that may be correct, but the technology lives on as RSS. Just because it is a "news aggregator" today and not "push" doesn't mean it's dead -- far from it.

I could go on but you get the picture. This wasn't a very well thought out article.

WAP (2.50 / 4) (#121)
by pmbatidi on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 05:52:38 PM EST

WAP has certainly been overrated - undoubtedly, as a way to make a bigger market than can be sustained by practical applications - but, nonetheless, it has its value - e.g. I find it a satisfying way to follow a baseball game, when I can't be at the stadium, get near a radio, get to the Internet or, even peek at a TV.

Thin Clients . . . (2.75 / 4) (#128)
by spazebar on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 08:35:16 PM EST

I'm not sure if they're fads or not but I know Wall*Mart spends a fortune on them. They are perfect for inter-company e-mail, typing up schedules, and other database work. I think maybe as a consumer product they are a fad but on the large corprate scene they have a niche

Wow (2.00 / 9) (#130)
by PsychoFurryEwok on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 09:47:56 PM EST

Some of these things aren't fads, some are still widely used. Fads are supposed to 'fade away'.

More About Pointcast (2.75 / 8) (#131)
by n8f8 on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 10:30:50 PM EST

Pointcast was much more than a screensaver. Back in the days when even coporations had to share narrow bandwidth inside their intranets, Pointcast saved a lot of bandwidth by Pushing the most frequenly accessed information tothe client machines. Administrators could control how often the pointcast servers pinged the internet for refreshes. Think of it as a big web-cache.

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VoIP... (2.37 / 8) (#132)
by Gentle Troll on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 10:38:34 PM EST

I can't afford a regular phone line plus a cell phone so I thought I'd give internet phone a try.  There are quite a few providers today.  The one I went with was iconnecthere.com.  For something like $6 I could get  400 minutes a month.  If I went over it would only be $0.04 or so per minute.  This is a _huge_ difference from what my cellular provider (cingular.. bleh) charged per minute (something like $0.50 last I checked).

The quality is just as good as a regular phone line, and much better than a cell phone (on my roadrunner, at least).

I used to think it was just hype, but it actually is very useful if you talk a lot and don't want to pay out the ass for a higher cell phone plan.  Unfortunately the software is only for Windows, but there are devices which should work with other OSes.  I can imagine someone wiring their home with cat5 and getting a service like this and the ethernet-based phones (or perhaps using wireless somehow).

I don't think WAP was wrong 'per se' (2.33 / 6) (#140)
by l3nz on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 05:18:06 AM EST

Sure it was not apt to surf the web, but there was quite a lot of possible applications for it. There were millions of WAP phones out in Europe by 2000, and that *could* have been a revolution. It would have been a perfect media for shared lightweight groupware, chats, simple games, news. It was simply overpriced - it should have been free or almost free, a way to keep a telco's customers; instead in Europe they decided to price it at a premium rate. Just - say - browsing your horoscope would cost something like 0.50 - 1 euro of telecom charges. It was ridiculous. Nobody used or uses it, even when I think everybody's cellphone has Wap and is Gprs enabled. Most Gprs plans I have seen place a ludicrous quota of included Wap traffic - something like 200k per month! I can't even read a RSS newsfeed twice a day with that. This way it will go simply wasted, and I think it's a pity.

Popk ToDo lists - yet another web-based ToDo list manager. 100% AJAX free :-)

maaauuww!!! (2.60 / 5) (#151)
by snitch on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 07:48:48 AM EST

Other things, like pet food, make no sense whatsoever to sell online.

of course it does. try finding a petshop selling the good stuff (royal canin is like crack to my little fluffballs - that's my CATS, mind). i order it in bags of 8kg: the postie breaks his back, it's cheaper, and...well, i'm a lazy son'bitch

actually, groceries, pizza's & other convenience stuff, soft- & hardware, books, flowers... i can think of few things which i wouldn't rather order online than leave my house for - that's SO not done any more :). even one of my ex-girlfriends was, ultimately, "ordered" online (in fact, you CAN really order these online, no?)

voIP, p2p, thin clients... all stuff i know is in daily use by many.

"Against his heart was a thesaurus bound in PVC. He smiled at the entrance guard." - Steve Aylett

What about XML? (2.28 / 7) (#153)
by n8f8 on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 08:14:38 AM EST

I think XML counts as another "Internet Fad". There are a lot of people who still think of XML as some sort of web Ronco Vegamatic.

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domain reselling scam (3.00 / 6) (#154)
by muyuubyou on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 08:22:50 AM EST

Ranks pretty high to me.

Who's paying stupid amounts of money for a domain anymore? You can go with another name, or if you can demonstrate they're just hijacking your business name illegitimately you can sue.

Forgot (2.90 / 11) (#160)
by Yabl0 on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 11:43:49 AM EST

VRML.

At K5, the angry people are dominant. (2.33 / 6) (#162)
by Futurepower on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 12:22:05 PM EST

I liked the article. The big picture, it seemed to me, is that Internet technology is subject to fads, particularly propagated by the enthusiasm of people who don't really understand the technology. If you work in the field every day as I do, it is good to be reminded of that.

Many of the comments on this article are not really comments, but an attempt by people with anger problems to use kuro5hin as an outlet for their anger.

At any time, there are processes in social groups which cause them to grow, and other processes which cause them to die. Unfortunately, the angry people seem to have taken hold of kuro5hin, so that they are the dominant group. That causes kuro5hin to be much less attractive to those who have something interesting to share.

I can't believe (1.00 / 7) (#167)
by LilDebbie on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 01:41:49 PM EST

no one has mentioned goatse.cx yet, or is he considered a fundamental part of the Intarweb now?

Wait, you're talking about techonology? Who gives a shit about that?

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

Thin Clients (2.80 / 5) (#172)
by SocratesGhost on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 03:01:36 PM EST

I think that thin clients as you describe them never reached the critical mass to become a hugely competitive business. It exists in pockets but not in the mainstream.

Still, the motivation is there to wean ourselves away from expensive machines that quickly go obsolete. Consider computing power as something like electric power. Right now, whenever a person wants it, we put a generator on their desk in the form of a computer. As a result, there is wasted processing power rampant in the system. We have horrible inefficiency in our IT infrastructures and we all know that inefficiency wastes money. If Mary needs to run a report that locks up her machines for hours, she'd love to harnass the power of John or Peter's machines for the process since they're only playing solitaire. As a result, we are on the verge of implementing the next possible fad: Grid Computing.

-Soc
I drank what?


Missed the point on thin clients... (2.75 / 4) (#173)
by hansel on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 03:48:15 PM EST

The Web is already a terrifically successful thin-client system, without Flash/Java/Midi/shit.  Think of the vast bulk of content and social interaction that goes on on the Web with nothing but HTML and CGI.

The point of a thin-client isn't that it can do everything a thick-client can.  The point is that it can't, and so pares the user experience down to the essentials.  The size and scope of the Web are succesful, it's been argued, just because it's a perfect thin-client.  The addition of CGI to rudimentary text formatting is all that's required.  

Think: when was the last time you used Flash/Java/sound/animation in a way that was essential to your Web experience?  What proportion of your web experience is dependent upon plugins?  For me, zero.  I can't even think of any Javascript that I would consider essential, whose removal would significantly detract from the Web.

Gotta disagree on a few points. (2.40 / 5) (#176)
by mindstrm on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 04:01:30 PM EST

Firstly, VoIP is far, far, far from a "Fad". It's more popular than ever, and truly about to explode.

Second, Live customer support is alive and kicking, for those companies who have a clue how to implement it. It's far from dead.

Third, acronyms are not on the way out.

Fourth, thin clients never were a fad..and they are around now as much as they ever were. What do you think your web browser is? Know how many businesses us web-based applications that solely work via a brwoser, with no plugins?  That's thin-client at it's best.

Fads, VoIP, etc (2.71 / 7) (#182)
by jd on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 06:04:49 PM EST

VoIP needs UDP and decent compression algorithms. Most systems sent "bursts" of traffic, which is why you got chunks dropped, rather than merely having continuous sound that was slightly degraded. What's worse, some tried using TCP.

If you're going to transmit to groups (eg: Internet Radio, conference calls, etc) you need multicasting. Sorry, but only an idiot tries to transmit point-to-point to many destinations. And only complete imbeciles try to do that with video.

(CU-SeeMe only worked well if you had a stack of interlinked reflectors, and each reflector could only cope with 8 low-grade signals, before maxing out the computer or the network.)

Probably the best "traditional" early VoIP program was Internet Phone. The signal quality was decent, and none of the other ptp VoIP packages had remotely as good handling of packet loss.

Of the "non-traditional" software, the best system was RAT (Robust Audio Tool) which was designed for multicast, but would work with unicast. It had excellent compression, and the ability to do conferencing made it exceptional.

RAT and the video tool VIC were used by Russian surgeons to perform a "remote" medical procedure, by directing American surgeons who had the theatre wired for sound and video. By multicasting the entire operation, it was possible for anyone to watch. Indeed, several medical schools were hooked into the MBone to watch events. Live demonstrations of this kind are not common.

VIC was very unusual for it's day, being able to transmit up to PAL resolution (625 lines) in 24-bit color. Naturally, on the Internet you don't get much of a frame-rate at that resolution. (5 fps is about it, and that puts a serious load on the network,)

But until you've used the MBone tools, and have experienced the true splendour of what these tools can achieve, don't write them off completely.

You can't reach the MBone? Your provider won't provide it? Oh, now that's a different kettle of fish. Providers, despite getting free access to the MBone (all they have to do is enable the option on the router), generally won't provide it to customers. Technical issues? No, greed issues. Multicasting makes wide distribution much easier and takes much less bandwidth to do so. If it were used for all Internet Radio, webcasts and video conferencing, you'd free up a huge amount of bandwidth.

So why aren't ISPs providing it, then? Because they don't know how to charge for it. It gives the consumer vastly superior performance, and ISPs want to be paid extra for it. But because of the way it works, they don't know how to do that.

An afterthought (2.75 / 4) (#183)
by jd on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 06:15:20 PM EST

I've been using packet-based wide-area networks since 1985, starting with IPSS (International Packet Switch Stream), which was an X.25-based network that covered much of Europe and parts of the US.

I also frequented bulletin boards, and still think "The Bread Board System" was better than any other BBS of its day. Nothing else came close. (Wildcat was trashy, but cheap.)

I forget when I moved onto the Internet, but I'm sure it was to howls of protest. I can tell you that I ran the official first IPv6 node in the UK (I believe a company in Aberdeen registered their node one day later). It was also one of the best-connected, sporting 8 tunnels at one point.

In all of that time, I can't say I've seen "real" fads. Most of the technology, or the concepts, have stayed around in one form or another. Push technology (where the server proactively sends data) is essentially the model CORBA and RPC use. That's why Microsoft had to lock-up all the RPC code on Windows, as you could push viruses onto a system,

Huge fad: Overclocking! (2.71 / 7) (#185)
by skintigh on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 06:57:13 PM EST

That subject line probably caused screams around the world, but it's true, and this is coming from an overclocker who is also modding his case.  Allow me to make my case.

There was a time when overclocking was HUGE.  Maybe not outside of the Internet folk, but it was HUGE.  You could overclock a 486DX2 66MHz to 80MHz: a 21% improvement in ALL APPS, and a difference of hundreds of dollars.  This was such a HUGE deal that ethical (!) debates were sparked (is it unethical to get more than you paid for?) and there were scams and usenet was on fire.

I later overclocked Pentium Pros at work to speed up SETI and Blood.  

Even recently I overclocked my poor 1400 to the mid 1500s, overclocked my PC133 ram to about 142MHz, and overclocked my geforce 2 from 200/225 to 240/255, all to get CnC Generals work.  Except for the video overclocking, it barely made a difference.

Nowadays you can eek maybe 10% more out of your CPU (without expensive cooling solutions), which makes almost no difference in games since videocards are the bottleneck.

Of course, people like me overclock those too, but with the exception of turning the early radeon 9500 into a 9700 Pro, there is nary a word about it.

So, is it really a fad?  Some might say it's still common, so it's not.  Well, it's still around, but so are yo-yos and hoola hoops.

Melinda Gates (2.50 / 4) (#187)
by xs euriah on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 07:35:21 PM EST

Note that Bill Gates' wife was then project manager of Microsoft Bob.

WAP (2.62 / 8) (#190)
by coryking on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 08:41:24 PM EST

The biggest reason WAP has failed is there has been no killer app for it yet. There are a TON of things that a WAP like device could be used for:
  • What bus will come next? Should I catch the 21 or wait for the 54 express?
  • When is costco open till?
  • What is the phone number for Joe Blow?
  • How do I get from here to joe's house?
lets not forget PDA like stuff:
  • What appointments do I have today
  • What new email do I have?
  • Dont forget IM'ish applications
The reason WAP sucks is because the marketers assume we want lots of content - news, stocks, etc. What we really want is highly situation specific information. An ideal device would be able to answer "I'm here, what is around me?". Those are the kinds of things that will make wap take off.

The other reason WAP sucks is because nobody has come up with a decent interface for the phone. If it takes 4 screens to get to showtimes (mMode), it's too much.

The idea of wap - which is accessing web like content from a moble device is far from dead. You will see this stuff take off very, very soon once somebody "gets it"

Better-late-than-never gram: (1.50 / 6) (#194)
by acceleriter on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 09:08:01 PM EST

FuckedCompany

Active Desktop? (2.50 / 6) (#195)
by strlen on Mon Nov 17, 2003 at 09:46:14 PM EST

Anyone remember that piece of Mickeysoft crap that was hailed by everyone as the next great feature of desktop integration, yet I still haven't met anyone who uses (I don't spend much time in windows, except for games of BattleField 1942).

And, I also nominate "blogs" and "blogosphere" as being part of a similar article of future years. It used to be that some people kept peridiocally updating a site, or keeping a log in either their .plan (accessible via finger) file or somewhere on the net. Yet, nowadays, somehow this practice has become a "world changing" phenomen or a "new method" of communication, or a "revolution". Hint: it's nothing special.

And on the topic of WAP, while the idea of WML may have been only a fad, but the idea that websites should be displyable on text-only devices isn't. What bothers me is why invent a separate language for that, why not just not use flash, frames and use the alt description on the img tag?

As for the myriad of comments of about thin client, rather then just blee the "mee-to", I'd like to say that

a) calling WYSE or VT-series terminal "dumb" is a misnomer (dumb implies no control over cursor position (at least no 2-d control over cursor position)), if you want a seriously dumb terminal try an ASR-33

b) text-only video terminals still have plenty of use: point of sale system, library systems, and the terminal -> server model of computing still lives on with today's ssh and telnet (which is very widely used). In fact, I can't remember a time I sat in front of a computer, where I havent at one point used an application which emulated what you called "dumb" terminals -- whether sshing to a workgroup server at work, checking mail from school, or using an ATM or a library search feature (and putty is probably the single Windows application I use the most).

c) you mentioned the expensive Sunray thin clients, yet unlike your average pee-cee  running Lunix 2.4.22233902810291132 Redhate  or Microsoft Windows Type-R (my prediction for a next naming scheme, once "X""XP" gets old ("2k""mellinium" already is)) it can last more than 3 years (average lifetime for a pee-cee, believe it or not) and doesn't need to be constantly upgraded (only the central server -- such as say a E480R or an E280R (try putting one of those on every worker's desk!) needs to be upgraded).  

The dot-bomb era thin clients had the failure of trying to essentially be a computer, but naming it something else (various I-openers, and other sorts of web-browser oriented thin clients), but diskless workstations and X11/Citrix/whatever terminals are still useful, just as video terminals and most importantly terminal-emulation.

--
[T]he strongest man in the world is he who stands most alone. - Henrik Ibsen.

Thin Clients come from primal desires (2.50 / 4) (#203)
by rdenny on Tue Nov 18, 2003 at 08:57:20 AM EST

The thin client is a kissin' cousin of the "diskless workstation' and a distant cousin of the mainframe terminal. It is a primal human instinct to subjugate others. The computer flavors of this ancient tradition began with mainframe priests, and is still alive in the form of thin clients hooked to, er, a mainframe. Just a fancier terminal. The author's observations are right on, and are repeated every few years by a new attempt at subjugation. Thank heavens they've all failed. Investors beware!

CueCat (2.75 / 4) (#217)
by revscat on Tue Nov 18, 2003 at 01:43:29 PM EST

By far the biggest waste of time, hype, and capital. Definitely worthy of the list. "Look! It's a scanner so you can go straight to an advertisement! Wheee, I bet simply EVERYONE will want one!"

What a joke.



- Rev.
Libertarianism is like communism: both look great on paper.
one word: teledildonics (none / 2) (#219)
by circletimessquare on Tue Nov 18, 2003 at 03:09:41 PM EST

i've spent upwards of $20,000.00 on my virtual jennifer 2.0 set up so far, and i've found that actually talking to a living breathing woman is more stimulating... who knew?


I'm making a Low Budget HDV Filipino Horror Movie in NYC

Linguistics! (none / 2) (#224)
by TheMealwormFarm on Tue Nov 18, 2003 at 03:45:17 PM EST

U 4got 2 mention da loss of gramma an speling in da online chats.

My sister, who happens to be an English teacher, spends her weekends complaining about online shorthand.
wh@t @n @ge we live in.


^^The above statement was written by TheMealworm "I am God" Farm,

"Where did you get that statement?"

"Your mother!"
Lest we forget... (none / 1) (#241)
by TaoJones on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 02:12:11 AM EST

Joel Furr and the whole Lemur thing. According to Craig Shergold if you do you make little baby Kibo cry...

Reasonable article... (none / 1) (#243)
by Aimaz on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 09:34:14 AM EST

... I'll just assume you've never actually used thin clients.

Live customer service (none / 1) (#248)
by salsaman on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 06:57:57 PM EST

I actually found it useful once. I went to IBM's site, and was trying without much success to find a price for a bit of kit for a client of mine. Anyway there was a box that said: type here to Instant Message a sales rep. Well, I did, and it actually worked. Somebody responded and I explained what I was looking for. The guy on the other end directed me to exactly the item I needed.

Digital Acronyms (none / 1) (#249)
by royal on Fri Nov 21, 2003 at 02:01:58 AM EST

You're way off on digital acronyms. Business to business, business to consumer, adviser to client and so on... they're still being used and they were being used pre-dotcom.

Hello, friendly b3ta users! (none / 2) (#255)
by fae on Fri Nov 21, 2003 at 10:47:17 PM EST

:)

-- fae: but an atom in the great mass of humanity
niftae (none / 2) (#256)
by Shakata Ga Nai on Sat Nov 22, 2003 at 02:46:55 AM EST

so many stories about net trends though
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'Jesus might be lord, but I am GOD.'
Yea, I am bored, I'll come up with something creative latter.
What about the Web "recorders"? (none / 1) (#260)
by kosmos on Wed Nov 26, 2003 at 07:19:48 AM EST

Back in the days there were some companies pushing to make these "web recorders" which supposely given a website records everything for you. I think there are still some around but without really revolutionary features it seems to have been less than exciting.

VoIP (none / 1) (#262)
by mdm42 on Fri Nov 28, 2003 at 09:05:58 AM EST

8. VoIP (Rounds 1 and 2) ... listener typically heard, "-an y-----ear--e? ------ool! We're u--ng the -nter------all!"

Not at all like cellular phones, then...

WAP does have one use I know of - (none / 1) (#265)
by jago25 on Sat Nov 29, 2003 at 03:43:10 PM EST

Aeronautical wether reports: can be quicker than sms and more dynamic yet is portable. Still the best until Cell phones properly online are better

Pointlesscast and foolish mobs... (none / 1) (#269)
by Myself248 on Mon Dec 01, 2003 at 06:06:03 PM EST

I never quite understood the point of flash mobs. In years past, the power to summon throngs of people was mostly reserved for media personalities. Now we have technology that allows any schmuck to organize quite a large gang of likeminded individuals. What's it used for? NOTHING! Organized nothing!

"Yes dear, I remember when I met your father. I don't suppose you've ever heard of flash mobs, but they were quite the craze for a few days there in 2003. Everyone converged in the center of the park, and it was there that I saw him, walking the pavement joints like a tightrope. I knew immediately that he really stood for nothing. It was mediocrity at first sight!"

Why can't these losers organize a flash mob like "everyone show up at the beach with a trash bag and some gloves" or something useful? Because nobody would show up. People these days are serious about their apathy.

As for Pointcast: Neat idea, if you dedicated a machine for pointcast and left it in the storefront window. On the desktop, it was utterly useless. The idea of pushing updated content to local caching servers is good, but it's better implemented by things like Squid and Akamai.

"Push" isn't nearly as fun as "sniff". Want a really entertaining screensaver? Write a script that follows HTTP sessions and displays the pages that other people on the network are retrieving. (A friend of mine did this on his college dorm network. He always had a copy of the most recent pages on the big news sites, and a large archive of fresh porn. All without generating any network traffic of his own!)

Live customer support is pretty cool. Customers abuse email support with FAQ's, so email support counterabuses customers with autoresponders. In many of the live chat systems I've seen, the users in the "waiting room" can usually help the newbies with a few dumb questions by the time an actual tech is available. Sort of a "zeroth-tier" of support, but it works well.

The phone is honestly inferior at certain tasks. The support rep's ability to type things exactly, rather than spell them over the phone to a customer who can't tell slash from backslash, is important. So is the ability to send links and files. I've yet to see a support-chat with file transfer capability, though.

Here's my pessimistic prediction: The web as a useful thing is already turning out to have been a fad. Email, arguably the most useful function of the internet, has been made useless by spammers. Usenet and chat are now simply vehicles for advertising.

The web itself grows less useful with each passing day, but it's much more than just advertising. Flash and its ilk threaten to "redefine what the web can be", to borrow macromedia's own slogan. The web used to be searchable, indexable, and printable. Now it's none of those things. It used to be useful. Frames are hopelessly abused, image tags are everywhere and none of them have alternate text. Content is hidden behind forms where search engines fear to tread. Servers track "sessions" for each visitor, instead of statelessly serving pages as HTTP dictates.

The average drooling-monkey web author is so anxious to try out the latest can-IE-do-this-without-crashing trick, that they're perfectly willing to exclude any user who doesn't have an enormous screen, the latest mickeysoft bugware, perfect eyesight, and hours to waste while gimmicks install themselves.

The reason WAP flopped is that it's about a decade late. When HTML was sensible and pages were logical, browsing the web on a tiny display worked fine. (after hacking Lynx to support a 32-column by 8-line terminal, of course.)

Of course, the WAP gateway at your phone provider's office that allows you to browse the web on your phone is an example of thin client behavior. If the content didn't suck, it would work fine. So-called "thin clients", be they VT100s or Xterms or smart displays or whatever, have been around since the dawn of computing and will continue to have their niche. I'm carrying one in my pocket, waiting for it to be useful.

Sooner or later, people who write content will realize that accessibility trumps glitz and sparkle. It will be too late.

That's a pretty narrow definition of Flashmobs (none / 1) (#271)
by thewookie on Thu Dec 04, 2003 at 06:06:40 AM EST

Flashmobs as a term might be a fad, but this form of mobilisation is I think likely to stick around in one form or another. It's just a trendy name coined for a specific use of a broader communication/organisational trend - see smartmobs for an interesting overview - made fad-like by the initially amusing antics of some of it's early proponents.

As an example of a less surreal use than the recent headline grabbers, Jane's Addiction have been organising Flashmob gigs on their recent tour, fans could sign up and would receive notification by text message of when and where they would be playing a free gig. I understand they performed a brief open air set at Covent Garden market in London in this way. Now the cynical would say that this is just appropriating a trendy term and using it to sell paid for advertising via mobile phones (there was a £1 fee), but that doesn't negate the effectiveness of the technique (and I doubt it covered the cost of mounting the gig).

Also, aren't the semi-clandestine open air raves of the early 90's nascent Flashmobs? (jn the UK at least, don't know about elsewhere) They may not have used the internet, but the way in which the venue information was distributed at the last minute by mobile phones to avoid police detection is very similar.

WAP..Billions (none / 0) (#274)
by mrrabbit on Sun Feb 29, 2004 at 05:20:46 AM EST

i spent 12 long hours in 1998 developing a WAP Pack before deciding it was rubbish...and never visiting the technology again...the futures bright...the futures WAP-Free...GPRS is the new(ish) WAP...you get charged by the Mb...3G is merely a bad acronym for 'sound picture and video' the SPV phone got the acronym right...but then again it was developed in association with Microsoft®

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